This should have been easy, we know that Rene Schmitz stuff sounds good (I have already built his "FEITW" ADSR) and I thought, let's try his MS20 filter.
This is a pretty simple circuit and from a good looking schematic, from a smart synth DIY maven, why wouldn't it sound good?
You know how I sometimes post: worked first time? This one most definitely didn't work first time. Neither filter worked for beans for at least 3 evenings--and the second one took me more like 5 evenings to get working. This got me to wonder, why not just buy someone else's filter design? Does a kit qualify as DIY (of course it does....but it's not enough torture for me?)
I used a 2x dual concentric pot PCB for filter #2 which I cut down from this PCB. |
OK I built two and at first both builds passed audio but both filters sounded--wimpy. Almost like a cheap stereo tone control, not that nice fat MS20 sound with dirt when you crank up the "Peak". I know Rene's designs are high quality, and a skinny sounding filter must be on me.
Building Filter #2.... |
After probing around a lot with my scope I ended up tracing this to a stupid mistake: I copied the schematic wrong into Eagle! I drew up a critical voltage divider incorrectly, which was causing a journey to 6db cutoff, wimp ass sounding low pass land. But the 8-28-18 PCB is still useful, although you have to do a trace cut and some kludge wiring to get it sounding MS20-like.
But then again: what would DIY be without trace kludges? |
With all that crappy advertising, you can get my PCB design (the one needing a trace cut, 8-28-18, and fixed yet untested version, 1-9-19) here. My website includes BOM, wiring suggestions, and specifics about the trace fix.
MS20 filter #1 finished, no decals yet, (I think) it sounds Rene-errific |
Great! we get that crunchy peak sound, fat lowpass and nice Korg growl!
Next I turned my attention to the second unit (two VCFs so I can HP + LP = band pass? Two on the original MS20 right?) But even with the trace fix, the second MS20 filter had a strange problem--when I cranked the CV up the audio output went completely dead.
Damn! It took me 2 more evenings of comparing the working VCF to the broken one to figure out problem! I suspected a parts placement error, but after checking twice, no, everything is OK. Bad IC? No; swapped everything and no change. Could I live with a VCF just not eating any CV above about 4V DC? No, not really. And besides, #1 worked, so #2 needs to work the same way.
Arrg! Too much shotgunning!
Ended up tracing this to a wiring problem with one of the grounds:
Filter #2, turns out, the normal is the fault--thanks to E-M GRUMBLE for the suggestion.... |
Goes like this: for an MS20 OTA filter: if you want high pass, stick audio into one end of a critical cap. If you want low pass, ground the same end of the same cap and put your signal into the circuit's main input:
Not having room for a switch in a 1U Frac, I used a normal to ground the cap, and the normal had a cold solder joint. Yow! So when I put audio into the "LP" input, it would cut out at high CV. If I put audio into the HP input, it wouldn't work at all. Not at all the way I would think this issue would manifest but there you go.
OK with all that sorted, I did a recorded the quickee demo, here.
Second MS20 filter works! Filter 2 has 2 mod inputs, I was going to use this as the primary filter of the two. |
Five evening later, I have to wonder, was all of this worth it? There are a ton of PCB's for MS20 filters already out there, did I really have to do my own PCB? I doubt it, really. Hell, I could have just bought one of those MS20 repops, and if it went south, bug Guitar Center for help right? Maybe not?
I think I just like to torture myself, building machines that I go crazy trying to fix over the course of 5-6 evenings. Welcome to the world of DIY.
Hey! They work! |
I realized something important: I hate, hate, hate haatteee it when things I build don't work. More than I should. So why DIY at all? This is like being into sailing but hating water, right?
In my rack--panels redone using FPE |
I'll have to ask my girlfriend, who is a mental health professional (really!) why this is, because really I have no idea. Was I dropped on my head at a young age?
Granted--too many fumes. I need a break.
Hi could you add the whiring for the filter#2 in your website ?
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ReplyDeletei don't buy tools so i can complete projects, i make up projects as an excuse to play with my tools. diy is it's own reward. i too am angry at,...everything...i think it's angry old man syndrome
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